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I am waiting for some lawyer to pick up on this and sue because the mountain made it possible for their client to go fast enough to injure themself by providing wide grromed boulevards. Too many mountains in the mid-Atlantic are an invitation to speed and too many accept the invitation.
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<snip> I hate groomed runs more than just about any poster on this board. But there is a very good reason why many ski areas in the Mid-Atlantic (and elsewhere) groom runs; most sliders prefer groomed runs and there is very limited terrain to handle the crowds. All I ask is that 1-2 runs at each area be left ungroomed.
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Most skiers can't go fast on a true expert run such as Extrovert or Lower Shortway, but just about anyone can go fast on a basically intermediate run such as Cupp Run
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The stuff at Blue Knob is just as much of true intermediate terrain as cup is! This is the mid-atlantic for crying out loud.
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I hear you, but those same questions can be asked, and are asked, day after day in car accidents that result in the death of one of the motorists. Rarely do police witness the accident, and yet police and prosecutors must determine whether the offending driver was driving recklessly or merely a bit too fast, whether he appropriately swerved to avoid another car or not, what role alcohol might have played in the crash, etc etc. They gather information and make a determination, as best they can, whether or not to charge the driver with vehicular manslaughter or not. And then a court and jury sorts it out.
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But no one suggests, when a driver gets drunk and kills another driver, that it was somehow the fault of the Department of Highways for having the road open at night. Why should it be any different at a ski area?
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I think the Ski Patrol should be looking for dangerous situations like this. Is it testosterone that makes males do such stupid things?
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People, if you don't have the ability, don't ski the trail! It not only puts everyone on the trail at risk, but those who are already attending to other injured skiers.
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Rarely will Ski Patrol witness an accident, so their definition of reckless has to be applied through the filter of others. Plus, I'm not sure whether Ski Patrol's definition of reckless would stand up in a court of law. A non-skier may consider anyone who skis to be reckless.
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Remember folks, no matter how bad the skier is in front of you, he has the right away: the down slope skier ALWAYS has the right of way.
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Have you ever skied those trails? I'd like to see any poster on this board make high-speed GS turns down those trails in their typical (ungroomed) condition. On Extrovert, you'd have to jump two cat tracks and time one of the leaps between moving chairs on the lift overhead.
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Ski areas around here should put gates and signage at the entrance to all "expert" runs.
The best sign I have seen is at Liberty at the entrance to the double black trails which say that "rental equipment is not allowed on this trail" or something like that.
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I was always told that ski patrolers are trained for first aid and rescue; not security. Also I am told that in general managment is not always supportive of ski patrol when they do enforce things.
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I also think that the terrain parks should have their own dedicated rope tows or lifts; that would significantly reduce the outrageous Saturday lines at lifts like Ballhooter. Liberty, at least, has the tow for its West Side Park. I think that takes substantial loadage off the Alpine Quad, plus allows the park riders to get back to their favorite features much quicker.
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According to a blurb on Snowshoe's website, anyone using the terrain parks has to watch a safety video before getting a park pass which is in addition to the lift pass. Hopefully that will help. I suggest it might be a good idea do that for everyone who rents skis too ... while waiting for your din to be set, skis fitted to boots, you watch the video. Where's the problem?
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